Commission chairman says he will vote on project however city
officials want him to
Bibb County Chairman Charlie Bishop said Tuesday that his vote
on a
controversial plan to widen a local road will depend on what the next
batch of city officials wants him to do.
Bishop,
who has been targeted by opponents of the Forest Hill Road project for
his role in shuffling the plan through officialdom, told six City
Council members and about 75 residents they've got his vote - for or
against the project.
In other words, whatever the city wants
after the mediation session the county has called for is how Bishop
said he will vote. When Bishop announced that, City Councilwoman Elaine
Lucas turned immediately to Councilman Rick Hutto and said: "He's
putting it back on us."
Later, Lucas and a handful of other City Council members - and
soon-to-be council members - challenged Bishop on his motives.
Councilwoman-elect
Lauren Benedict, who attended a meeting this month with the chairman to
discuss the project's history and status, said Bishop was trying to
shift the burden of responsibility to City Council because he found
himself in an "untenable position," politically speaking.
Bishop
countered,as he did for much of the night, by saying Forest Hill "has
always been a city of Macon project," and "it has never been a priority
of the county." He added numerous mayors and city officials have
approved the project from their positions on boards and committees
associated with the Macon Area Transportation Study and the Road
Improvements Program.
Lucas said the council's role on those committees was limited,
adding the city has passed two resolutions against the project.
Billed
as an "update meeting" or an "informal discussion" about the Forest
Hill Road project, Tuesday's gathering of local officials and residents
at the Bibb County Courthouse ended up being more about how Bishop said
he would vote and how much control local governments have over the $24
million of state and federal highway money earmarked to make the
project happen.
If the project isn't aborted, work is scheduled to begin next
summer.
Recent
weeks have seen increased pressure from residents and activists, who,
besides lobbying local officials in private, have demonstrated against
the road project at the county courthouse after they learned the County
Commission has the power to stop the project cold. Commissioner Lonzy
Edwards recently proposed - and the rest of the commission agreed
unanimously - to set a mediation session among state and local
officials and the property owners who will be affected by the project.
The
format of and the date for that mediation has not been finalized, but
commissioners have said they want a Superior Court judge to mediate the
session, which could include officials from the city of Macon, the
state Department of Transportation and engineers from Moreland
Altobelli, the company that has handled the bulk of the work in the
project. Bibb's elected leaders also insisted the meeting be limited to
property owners who directly will be affected by the project's path - a
move to exclude many of the vocal activists who have campaigned against
the project for years and don't own property along Forest Hill Road.
The
project itself, which officials said has been scaled back three times
from its original proposal, calls for the current two-lane road to be
widened into three- and four-lane sections. The plan's design is based
on a disputed set of DOT traffic counts that contain data that has
varied widely.
Opponents of the project have argued traffic
counts are wrong, and the DOT's plan should be redesigned to lessen its
effect on the neighborhoods and reduce the number of trees that would
be lost. Tuesday night, a number of project opponents said local
engineers "pumped up" the traffic counts to secure state and federal
highway money. The project, they said, has been "designed on completely
erroneous information."
Van Etheridge, an engineer from Moreland
Altobelli who attended Tuesday's meeting to answer questions about the
project, disputed that. He said traffic has increased on Forest Hill
Road and continues to increase.
"We took traffic counts there a few weeks ago," he said. "The
numbers of cars on the road has increased."
Regardless
of how many cars are or aren't traveling on the road, commissioners
have consistently maintained there is no design money left to redesign
the project again, and the county has an obligation to complete the
project because it was one of the items approved by voters in a 1994
special purpose local option sales tax referendum.
Although minor
alterations to the project are possible, officials said Tuesday night,
the state and federal highway money is tied to current design and
cannot be dedicated toward the sort of massive redesign many of the
plan's opponents would like to see.
However, everyone in
attendance Tuesday was not against the project: A few people spoke up
in favor of pushing ahead with the plan to widen the road, others
nodded in agreement or quietly questioned the position of the project's
opponents. One vocal man told Bishop that city and county leaders
needed to show some leadership and complete a project that has been on
the books for more than 10 years because the area is growing and Forest
Hill is a "major" thoroughfare.
To contact writer Keich Whicker, call 744-4494.
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Yea Joe Allen kept his mouth shut
for once
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Again the Telegraph is blocking all
posts in support of the man running
against Timley. You can not type his name on a post. Try on today's
column you will see you cannot post. The paper is trying to control the
election in Timley favor.
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Why a attack on Joe Allen. Was it
not Mr Bishop that did all the
talking for Bibb County. Mr Bishop was the only one talking.If you were
there why did you not stand up and voice your opinion, one way are the
other?
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Reporter - Whicker needs to report
the facts as they are. The traffic
counts Are FLAT - not arguably flat. Open your eyes and report the
truth. Do the research you lazy [derogative]:
www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/traffic.htm
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I was there and was so happy Joe did
not speak. I think the buck is
being passed again. Bishop, Allen and Tickle me Elmo all need to be
voted out this next election.
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DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY BACKBONE DOWN
THERE IN THE CITY OR ON THE COUNTY
COMMISIONERS?WHY DON"T THE DO THE RIGHT THING.ONE INJURED KIDS LIFE IS
NOT WORTH ALL THE PROPERTY ON FOREST KILL RD IF HE CANNOT MAKE IT TO
EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE OF A WRECK AND CONGESTION BROKE DOWN CAR TREE
LIMB OR A 2 DOLLAR CAR THAT WON"T MOVE.THE PROBLEMS ARE NUMEROUS OUT
THERE AT RUSH HOUR.JESUS HELP US GET THAT ROAD WIDENED I PRAY.
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Future Bibb County residents will
have to pay off Hotel debt and take
thier life thier own hands when they travel on Forest Hill Rd. Thanks
Elaine!
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Stop passing the buck you spineless
$^%$#@#!
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Keich can't count lanes. Forest Hill
is more than just 3-4 lanes wide.
It is Not Less Than 5-Lanes Wide Everywhere between Vineville and
Wimbish. It is 6-7 lanes wide in other places. Whicker is just a
mouthpiece for Moreland, Bishop and Elmo. And speaking of Elmo, Why did
Whicker not report that Bishop said Elmo would no longer vote on Forest
Hill because he has a conflict of interest? Is this not important
enough for you? $25 Million project with an inside voting official?
Whicker is a sycophant. He loves powerful officials too much to see
them clearly.
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Those of you who support the
project had better speak up now!!! You are not being heard.
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I'm glad Mr. Bishop will vote as the
City wishes on this City project.
However, restricting public input to property owners along the street
at this upcoming mediation meeting is not proper. This is a public
issue concerning the quality of life in our city. We all want the City
to grow and prosper, but we should also want to preserve our
established neighborhoods and scenic environment as we grow. So, this
is not just about the property owners alongside a street, this is about
the future of Macon and anyone who cares about Macon should be able to
be present and voice their opinion.
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Forest Hill should be 4-6 lanes
wide. Just the other day, I was in a
hurry and some idiot on Forest Hill was driving the speed limit and I
couldn't pass them. Had this project been completed, I could have blown
around them and gotten to my meeting on time. You people who oppose
this are selfish and self-centered. You should think of the rest of us
who do not want to be inconvenienced. Hey, you might lose some of your
yard, but at least the rest of us can drive faster and pass those that
get in our way. Oh, BTW leave Bass Rd alone since that runs by my
neighborhood.
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Frank, if you had left 5 minutes
earlier, you wouldn't have had to
speed. If you don't like the speed limit, take a different route.
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Joe quit your whining. You caused
half of this problem, now you're in a
box and don't know how to fix the problem you helped create. Do us all
a favor and resign.
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weren't the only sitting
commissioners at that time, Joe and Bert??? Notice the silence????
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I'm with Frank. We need wider roads
so we can get around all the slow
people. Let's make them all 6 lanes! Just look at Zebulon. Too much
traffic...it needs more lanes! And yeah, don't touch Bass Road. That's
a nice country road with little traffic.
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I don't think we should widen the
roads because if we do, think about how it will affect the roads that
are around it.
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I would like to know when the
traffic is so unbearable on Forest Hill?
I drive it frequently and never have found it to be overcrowded, lined
up or otherwise difficult to deal with going either way. Yes, I have
had to wait a minute or less for someone to turn into a driveway, but,
it was hardly a burdensome wait. Who started this process anyhow-
someone on the Council or Commission who was slowed to the speed limit
one day and decided it needed more lanes? As it is, I never have
trouble going at least 5 miles, usually more, over the speed limit
because there is little to no traffic to hold me back. Give it up, Road
Improvement Program.
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Charlie voting on the side of the
people, the greater population is the
very point in our democratic government. Those who we vote into office
are our reps to vote for the people as a whole. Perhaps our political
figures should remember this more often as they vote. As far as the
widening of the road is concerened, its going to happen at some point,
as Macon is a growing town with a robust economy following suit. Lets
figure out how to better our public school system and how to clean up
crime.
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Traffic isn't unbearable on Forest
Hill, the only issue I can think of
is where Ridge meets it. It tends to backup but has a lot to do with
the short distance between red lights between it, Vinville/Forsyth Rd,
and Napier. I never have issues with the Wimbish intersection. I think
it is just impatient people like Frank who don't like to drive the
speed limits. I don't speed, if the speed limit is 35, I drive
somewhere between 35 and 40 mph. I always get to work on time, could it
be because I give myself enough time in the morning to get ready and
leave the house at the appropriate time to ensure I am not late for
work. Why should my driving habits be persecuted by speeders who must
speed due to their irresponbilities. If they don't like, take another
road, Cut over and hit Riverside, speed limit is 50 there. And for the
Bass road comments, have you ever been in the line of people getting
off at the Bureau? that's as bad as it gets around here!
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This is what is wrong with
government. If the majority of residents
don't want it then the council should vote it down and move on. It's
really that simple.
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Charlie Bishop or any other
commissioner cannot win. Either go ahead
with the project or stop it. The first time there is a serious issue
with the traffic on the road, opinions will change. I am not for or
against the project, because it does not effect me that much. This is
just another not in my neighborhood issue. The I-75 and I-16 is another
one of these problems. DOT has a plan to fix the dangerous problem, but
not in my neighborhood. Government officials need to look at what is
best for all citizens and then do it.
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Shut up dammit and widen the road
for the good of all motorists!!!!!!
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The residents on Forest Hill are
like most other self centered, whats
in it for me, selfish people in todays society. This is just one reason
the country is going to hell in a handbasket.
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Frank is being facetious. If you
didn't notice, he is against widening the road.
I
have driven across and along Forest Hill many times, and frankly, I
don't understand why people still live on that street: so much traffic,
fumes, trucks, dangerous driving, high speed, and on top of that they
have their mailbox next to the road. wasn't that long ago that one of
their resident was killed while retrieving her mail?
for one thing,
you cna't stop progress without harming the area of economic growth,
why not let the city widen the road in exchange for some propeorty tax
cut? or sell your property and move to the monroe county, there are
plenty of houses with no traffic at all, if that is what you value.
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Vote D.A.V.I.D. C.O.R.R. and get
rid of Timley
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Poster 24, know what you are talking
about before making stupid
comments. Have you actually gone and talked to people on Forest Hill
road about this are is this coming from your vast knowledge of Macon
Sociology.
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PLEASE, PLEASE JUST SHUT UP ABOUT
JACK ELLIS, THE HOTEL, THE ROAD
PRODJECT, CHARLIE BISHOP, AND JOE ALLEN. THE PEOPLE OF MACON AND BIBB
COUNTY COULD KEEP THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW SUPPLIED FOR YEARS TO COME.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE? JUST SHUT UP, YOU HEAR ME, JUST
SHUT UP. THEY SHOULD RENAME MACON "NUTSVILLE" GEORGIA.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but after
turning onto Forest Hill from
Northside, isn't the city limit sign on about 5 or 6 houses down the
road, isn't a majority of the road actually more county than city? Just
curious since this is a "city" matter.
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DON'T YOU THINK CHARLIE BISHOP
LOOKS LIKE PORTER WAGNER.
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To the city and county of Macon
,Georgia.Forget the picky, standoffish,
self centered, the world revolves around north macon people of Forest
Hill Rd. Please come finish the work started on Millerfield Road, we
will gladly welcome you and can not wait to see so many eyesores torn
down especially the intetsection of Millerfield and Jeffersonville
Rd.Please come with your turn lanes and bulldozers so that we may get
to New Clinton Rd knock down Triangle Food Store. Come Quickly.
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4 Bridges in Bibb County made a National list of the
most Structurally Deficient Bridges in Georgia this week.
RE FHR: If additional turn lane was added at Vineville
Avenue, Ridge
Avenue and Wimbish, the small amount of rush hour congestion would be
alleviated. The rest of the $24 million dollars could be used to repair
the Structurally Deficient Bridges on Rocky Creek, Beaverdam Creek,
Walnut Creek and a Norfolk Southern Bridge.
source:
www.tripnet.org/GeorgiaReportOct2007.pdf
pages 6 & 12
In the meantime, please enact local legislation to
require all Bibb
County Residents to carry Life Preserves in their family vehicles.
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Well, I guess a previous poster is
correct. I could not type in D.A.V.I.D C.O.R.R. and get it posted.
What's up with that?
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The
Telegraph removes "ALL" comments from FHR articles on a regular basis.
Please ask them why and ask them why their County "reporter" leaves out
so many important details at FHR meetings. Watch the WMAZ video and you
will see "him" imbedded with and yucking it up with Bibb good ole boys
that oppose any modification to FHR.
1) Last night Van Etheridge of Moreland Altobelli said
the plans presented at the meeting were not the current plans.
2) A councilwoman elect publicly said that Bishop failed
to provide documents that she requested prior to last night's meeting.
3)
City Council has already passed 2 Resolutions requesting that the
County redesign Forest Hill Road. Bishop could not remember the 900
resident petition that was presented to him, so i guess he forgot this
detail too.
4) FHR residents presented official data that showed
FHR traffic growth is flat. Did Van Etheridge and Moreland Altobelli
take their car count on the day of the Riverside Dr accident when
traffic had to be re-routed to FHR?
5) Bishop praised Etheridge
of Moreland Altobelli for coming out of retirement to be at the
meeting. One audience member asked if Dallas Van Etheridge was being
compensated, Bishop tried to dodge the question but DVE finally replied
that he was compensated for last night's performance.
more unwritten details later...
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This Comment sums up last night's meeting:
"It
seemed to be an exercise by Bishop to try to convince voters in his
next County Commissioner?s race that even though Bishop is for the
road, that other people were for the road before Bishop was, and that
Bishop is still for the road but Bishop wants you to think that he will
act like he is against the road so that you will vote for him, so
Bishop is against the road but he is really for the road and in the end
it is all City Council?s fault."
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I am surprised after reading all
these coments that no one has
mentioned city/county consolidation. Let's cut to the heart of the
matter, this should not be a city thing or a county thing, rather it
should be a Macon thing. With 2 governing bodies for one "city"
problems and conflicts are bound to happen. An effort to consolidate
city and county would pay huge dividends throughout the area. Juat a
thought or 2.
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This road need to be widen so
motorists will be able to allow room for
emergency vehicles to pass. Forest Hil Road need a turning lane, a side
walk,and a shoulder for traffic to give right of way for emergency
vechicles such as ambulances, police, and fire trucks.You have got to
ask yourself, which is more inmportant, a life or a bunch of trees.
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