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Forest Hill Debate Rolls On
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Community activists in Macon have tried for years to block the widening of Forest Hill Road in North Macon.

They've demanded that the Bibb County Commission stop a project that it's already approved. But now county commission chairman Charlie Bishop says he'll go with whatever Macon's next mayor and city council decide about Forest Hill Road.

"I would relinquish my vote and vote with city council and the elected official from the city, since this is a city project," Bishop said.

The Bibb county attorney has told the county commission that the board can legally stop the project if at least three of the five commissioners vote to stop it.

Bishop's comments didn't sit well with council member Charles Jones.

"You ought to have the integrity to stand up and say: this is what I believe, this is the way I'm gonna vote," Jones said.

Other's say it's too late for Bishop to change his vote.

"This project has gone a long, long way," said council member Rick Hutto. "And it's sort of one of those big ships that's very, very difficult to turn around."

But others think it is possible.

"I say: let's grab the ball and run with it as members of city council," council member-elect Erick Erickson said. "Let's take on the responsibility and fix the problem."

The city council has voted twice to ask the state to scale back the project.

But Bishop has said the county doesn't have the money for a new design. And the project manager has said the county will lose state and federal money if it kills the project.

"Somebody's got to take the plate and either say, get it done, or let's completely forget about everything and leave it as it is," Mayoral candidate David Cousino said.

If it comes down to those two options, Cousino says he would stop the project.

Democratic mayoral candidate Robert Reichert says he would probably go through with it.***

"If the decision comes down to either a) do it the way it's designed, or do nothing, I'm afraid that the majority of the people would say: do it the way it's designed," Reichert told WMAZ. ***


 




*** This week, again we heard on the radio that GDOT is seriously underfunded into the future.  Downsizing this project is a great way to save money AND prove that GDOT can do what other states have been doing for years.

 A good leader can present this case to GDOT and get the funding for a smaller project.  They can make their money go farther and our community will be better served.

 Robert needs to be this kind of leader, and we hope that the new GDOT commissioner will see the wisdom in changing the paradigm.






 



 


 Forest Hill Road — Live Blogging





 

. . . Is this a first? I’m at the County Commission meeting on Forest Hill. It’s a public one and I’ll live blog my thoughts.. . .

- Eric Erickson














http://www.fox24.com/article.asp?pkid=10133
Forest Hill Controversy Continues
The battle over the Forest Hill Road Project rages on. The Commission Chambers at the Bibb County Courthouse filled to capacity this Tuesday evening as Commission Chairman Charlie Bishop hosted several city council members and concerned citizens in what he called an historical information meeting.

The historic information in question is the information shared recently with mayoral candidate Robert Reichert and others in what some have since called a secret meeting. The meeting basically shows the history of the Forest Hill Road improvement plan from its humble beginnings as a 1983 project agreement between then Mayor George Israel, and the DOT all they way to the current federal funded plan that has the public up in arms. The commissioner stresses that the project is and always has been a city project, a project he will soon vote on.

Commission Chairman Charlie Bishop says he will vote however the city feels but the city council is not required to take a vote on the project and several members of the council who were at the meeting tonight say they fell that the commissioner is merely trying to pass the buck.

"It really concerns me that when the county specifically tonight the Chairman seems to find himself in some political hot water he's trying to push the issue of on the city" -Lauren Benedict/Council Elect

"We do have elections next year so maybe that is whats going on but it can't be passed on to us we already stated our opinions on this particular project." -Elaine Lucas/City Council

"All I said here tonight is that I would relinquish my vote and vote with city council and the elected official from the city since this is the city's project." -Charlie Bishop/Commission Chairman

As of now the council has no plans to hold a vote.






Keich can't count lanes.  Forest Hill is more than just 3-4 lanes wide.  It is Not Less Than 5-Lanes Wide Everywhere between Vineville and Wimbish. It is 6-7 lanes wide in other places.  Whicker is just a mouthpiece for Moreland, Bishop and Elmo. And speaking of Elmo, Why did Whicker not report that Bishop said Elmo would no longer vote on Forest Hill because he has a conflict of interest?  Is this not important enough for you?  $25 Million project with an inside voting official?  Whicker is a sycophant. He loves powerful officials too much to see them clearly.

http://www.macon.com/198/story/173845.html


Eric, thanks for the blow-by-blow accounting of the meeting.  I had to leave early (after only 1 hour).  Looks like the only thing accomplished was to show how Bishop can get people riled up over his poor leadership on this issue. 

Let's just scale back the project, and then get it done!




Forest Hill vote swings on city, Bishop says


http://www.macon.com/198/story/173845.html


Commission chairman says he will vote on project however city officials want him to

By Keich Whicker - swhicker@macon.com

Bibb County Chairman Charlie Bishop said Tuesday that his vote on a controversial plan to widen a local road will depend on what the next batch of city officials wants him to do.

Bishop, who has been targeted by opponents of the Forest Hill Road project for his role in shuffling the plan through officialdom, told six City Council members and about 75 residents they've got his vote - for or against the project.

In other words, whatever the city wants after the mediation session the county has called for is how Bishop said he will vote. When Bishop announced that, City Councilwoman Elaine Lucas turned immediately to Councilman Rick Hutto and said: "He's putting it back on us."

Later, Lucas and a handful of other City Council members - and soon-to-be council members - challenged Bishop on his motives.

Councilwoman-elect Lauren Benedict, who attended a meeting this month with the chairman to discuss the project's history and status, said Bishop was trying to shift the burden of responsibility to City Council because he found himself in an "untenable position," politically speaking.

Bishop countered,as he did for much of the night, by saying Forest Hill "has always been a city of Macon project," and "it has never been a priority of the county." He added numerous mayors and city officials have approved the project from their positions on boards and committees associated with the Macon Area Transportation Study and the Road Improvements Program.

Lucas said the council's role on those committees was limited, adding the city has passed two resolutions against the project.

Billed as an "update meeting" or an "informal discussion" about the Forest Hill Road project, Tuesday's gathering of local officials and residents at the Bibb County Courthouse ended up being more about how Bishop said he would vote and how much control local governments have over the $24 million of state and federal highway money earmarked to make the project happen.

If the project isn't aborted, work is scheduled to begin next summer.

Recent weeks have seen increased pressure from residents and activists, who, besides lobbying local officials in private, have demonstrated against the road project at the county courthouse after they learned the County Commission has the power to stop the project cold. Commissioner Lonzy Edwards recently proposed - and the rest of the commission agreed unanimously - to set a mediation session among state and local officials and the property owners who will be affected by the project.

The format of and the date for that mediation has not been finalized, but commissioners have said they want a Superior Court judge to mediate the session, which could include officials from the city of Macon, the state Department of Transportation and engineers from Moreland Altobelli, the company that has handled the bulk of the work in the project. Bibb's elected leaders also insisted the meeting be limited to property owners who directly will be affected by the project's path - a move to exclude many of the vocal activists who have campaigned against the project for years and don't own property along Forest Hill Road.

The project itself, which officials said has been scaled back three times from its original proposal, calls for the current two-lane road to be widened into three- and four-lane sections. The plan's design is based on a disputed set of DOT traffic counts that contain data that has varied widely.

Opponents of the project have argued traffic counts are wrong, and the DOT's plan should be redesigned to lessen its effect on the neighborhoods and reduce the number of trees that would be lost. Tuesday night, a number of project opponents said local engineers "pumped up" the traffic counts to secure state and federal highway money. The project, they said, has been "designed on completely erroneous information."

Van Etheridge, an engineer from Moreland Altobelli who attended Tuesday's meeting to answer questions about the project, disputed that. He said traffic has increased on Forest Hill Road and continues to increase.

"We took traffic counts there a few weeks ago," he said. "The numbers of cars on the road has increased."

Regardless of how many cars are or aren't traveling on the road, commissioners have consistently maintained there is no design money left to redesign the project again, and the county has an obligation to complete the project because it was one of the items approved by voters in a 1994 special purpose local option sales tax referendum.

Although minor alterations to the project are possible, officials said Tuesday night, the state and federal highway money is tied to current design and cannot be dedicated toward the sort of massive redesign many of the plan's opponents would like to see.

However, everyone in attendance Tuesday was not against the project: A few people spoke up in favor of pushing ahead with the plan to widen the road, others nodded in agreement or quietly questioned the position of the project's opponents. One vocal man told Bishop that city and county leaders needed to show some leadership and complete a project that has been on the books for more than 10 years because the area is growing and Forest Hill is a "major" thoroughfare.

To contact writer Keich Whicker, call 744-4494.

Yea Joe Allen kept his mouth shut for once


Again the Telegraph is blocking all posts in support of the man running against Timley. You can not type his name on a post. Try on today's column you will see you cannot post. The paper is trying to control the election in Timley favor.

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Why a attack on Joe Allen. Was it not Mr Bishop that did all the talking for Bibb County. Mr Bishop was the only one talking.If you were there why did you not stand up and voice your opinion, one way are the other?

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Reporter - Whicker needs to report the facts as they are. The traffic counts Are FLAT - not arguably flat. Open your eyes and report the truth. Do the research you lazy [derogative]:
www.macon-bibb.com/FHR/traffic.htm

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I was there and was so happy Joe did not speak. I think the buck is being passed again. Bishop, Allen and Tickle me Elmo all need to be voted out this next election.

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DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY BACKBONE DOWN THERE IN THE CITY OR ON THE COUNTY COMMISIONERS?WHY DON"T THE DO THE RIGHT THING.ONE INJURED KIDS LIFE IS NOT WORTH ALL THE PROPERTY ON FOREST KILL RD IF HE CANNOT MAKE IT TO EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE OF A WRECK AND CONGESTION BROKE DOWN CAR TREE LIMB OR A 2 DOLLAR CAR THAT WON"T MOVE.THE PROBLEMS ARE NUMEROUS OUT THERE AT RUSH HOUR.JESUS HELP US GET THAT ROAD WIDENED I PRAY.

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Future Bibb County residents will have to pay off Hotel debt and take thier life thier own hands when they travel on Forest Hill Rd. Thanks Elaine!

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Stop passing the buck you spineless $^%$#@#!

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Keich can't count lanes. Forest Hill is more than just 3-4 lanes wide. It is Not Less Than 5-Lanes Wide Everywhere between Vineville and Wimbish. It is 6-7 lanes wide in other places. Whicker is just a mouthpiece for Moreland, Bishop and Elmo. And speaking of Elmo, Why did Whicker not report that Bishop said Elmo would no longer vote on Forest Hill because he has a conflict of interest? Is this not important enough for you? $25 Million project with an inside voting official? Whicker is a sycophant. He loves powerful officials too much to see them clearly.

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Those of you who support the project had better speak up now!!! You are not being heard.

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I'm glad Mr. Bishop will vote as the City wishes on this City project. However, restricting public input to property owners along the street at this upcoming mediation meeting is not proper. This is a public issue concerning the quality of life in our city. We all want the City to grow and prosper, but we should also want to preserve our established neighborhoods and scenic environment as we grow. So, this is not just about the property owners alongside a street, this is about the future of Macon and anyone who cares about Macon should be able to be present and voice their opinion.

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Forest Hill should be 4-6 lanes wide. Just the other day, I was in a hurry and some idiot on Forest Hill was driving the speed limit and I couldn't pass them. Had this project been completed, I could have blown around them and gotten to my meeting on time. You people who oppose this are selfish and self-centered. You should think of the rest of us who do not want to be inconvenienced. Hey, you might lose some of your yard, but at least the rest of us can drive faster and pass those that get in our way. Oh, BTW leave Bass Rd alone since that runs by my neighborhood.

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Frank, if you had left 5 minutes earlier, you wouldn't have had to speed. If you don't like the speed limit, take a different route.

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Joe quit your whining. You caused half of this problem, now you're in a box and don't know how to fix the problem you helped create. Do us all a favor and resign.

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weren't the only sitting commissioners at that time, Joe and Bert??? Notice the silence????

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I'm with Frank. We need wider roads so we can get around all the slow people. Let's make them all 6 lanes! Just look at Zebulon. Too much traffic...it needs more lanes! And yeah, don't touch Bass Road. That's a nice country road with little traffic.

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I don't think we should widen the roads because if we do, think about how it will affect the roads that are around it.

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I would like to know when the traffic is so unbearable on Forest Hill? I drive it frequently and never have found it to be overcrowded, lined up or otherwise difficult to deal with going either way. Yes, I have had to wait a minute or less for someone to turn into a driveway, but, it was hardly a burdensome wait. Who started this process anyhow- someone on the Council or Commission who was slowed to the speed limit one day and decided it needed more lanes? As it is, I never have trouble going at least 5 miles, usually more, over the speed limit because there is little to no traffic to hold me back. Give it up, Road Improvement Program.

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Charlie voting on the side of the people, the greater population is the very point in our democratic government. Those who we vote into office are our reps to vote for the people as a whole. Perhaps our political figures should remember this more often as they vote. As far as the widening of the road is concerened, its going to happen at some point, as Macon is a growing town with a robust economy following suit. Lets figure out how to better our public school system and how to clean up crime.

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Traffic isn't unbearable on Forest Hill, the only issue I can think of is where Ridge meets it. It tends to backup but has a lot to do with the short distance between red lights between it, Vinville/Forsyth Rd, and Napier. I never have issues with the Wimbish intersection. I think it is just impatient people like Frank who don't like to drive the speed limits. I don't speed, if the speed limit is 35, I drive somewhere between 35 and 40 mph. I always get to work on time, could it be because I give myself enough time in the morning to get ready and leave the house at the appropriate time to ensure I am not late for work. Why should my driving habits be persecuted by speeders who must speed due to their irresponbilities. If they don't like, take another road, Cut over and hit Riverside, speed limit is 50 there. And for the Bass road comments, have you ever been in the line of people getting off at the Bureau? that's as bad as it gets around here!


This is what is wrong with government. If the majority of residents don't want it then the council should vote it down and move on. It's really that simple.

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Charlie Bishop or any other commissioner cannot win. Either go ahead with the project or stop it. The first time there is a serious issue with the traffic on the road, opinions will change. I am not for or against the project, because it does not effect me that much. This is just another not in my neighborhood issue. The I-75 and I-16 is another one of these problems. DOT has a plan to fix the dangerous problem, but not in my neighborhood. Government officials need to look at what is best for all citizens and then do it.

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Shut up dammit and widen the road for the good of all motorists!!!!!!

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The residents on Forest Hill are like most other self centered, whats in it for me, selfish people in todays society. This is just one reason the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

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Frank is being facetious. If you didn't notice, he is against widening the road.
I have driven across and along Forest Hill many times, and frankly, I don't understand why people still live on that street: so much traffic, fumes, trucks, dangerous driving, high speed, and on top of that they have their mailbox next to the road. wasn't that long ago that one of their resident was killed while retrieving her mail?
for one thing, you cna't stop progress without harming the area of economic growth, why not let the city widen the road in exchange for some propeorty tax cut? or sell your property and move to the monroe county, there are plenty of houses with no traffic at all, if that is what you value.

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Vote D.A.V.I.D. C.O.R.R. and get rid of Timley

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Poster 24, know what you are talking about before making stupid comments. Have you actually gone and talked to people on Forest Hill road about this are is this coming from your vast knowledge of Macon Sociology.

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PLEASE, PLEASE JUST SHUT UP ABOUT JACK ELLIS, THE HOTEL, THE ROAD PRODJECT, CHARLIE BISHOP, AND JOE ALLEN. THE PEOPLE OF MACON AND BIBB COUNTY COULD KEEP THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW SUPPLIED FOR YEARS TO COME. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE? JUST SHUT UP, YOU HEAR ME, JUST SHUT UP. THEY SHOULD RENAME MACON "NUTSVILLE" GEORGIA.

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Bishop equals Spineless

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but after turning onto Forest Hill from Northside, isn't the city limit sign on about 5 or 6 houses down the road, isn't a majority of the road actually more county than city? Just curious since this is a "city" matter.


To Tired: LOL.

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DON'T YOU THINK CHARLIE BISHOP LOOKS LIKE PORTER WAGNER.

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To the city and county of Macon ,Georgia.Forget the picky, standoffish, self centered, the world revolves around north macon people of Forest Hill Rd. Please come finish the work started on Millerfield Road, we will gladly welcome you and can not wait to see so many eyesores torn down especially the intetsection of Millerfield and Jeffersonville Rd.Please come with your turn lanes and bulldozers so that we may get to New Clinton Rd knock down Triangle Food Store. Come Quickly.

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4 Bridges in Bibb County made a National list of the most Structurally Deficient Bridges in Georgia this week.

RE FHR: If additional turn lane was added at Vineville Avenue, Ridge Avenue and Wimbish, the small amount of rush hour congestion would be alleviated. The rest of the $24 million dollars could be used to repair the Structurally Deficient Bridges on Rocky Creek, Beaverdam Creek, Walnut Creek and a Norfolk Southern Bridge.

source:
www.tripnet.org/GeorgiaReportOct2007.pdf
pages 6 & 12

In the meantime, please enact local legislation to require all Bibb County Residents to carry Life Preserves in their family vehicles.


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Well, I guess a previous poster is correct. I could not type in D.A.V.I.D C.O.R.R. and get it posted. What's up with that?

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The Telegraph removes "ALL" comments from FHR articles on a regular basis. Please ask them why and ask them why their County "reporter" leaves out so many important details at FHR meetings. Watch the WMAZ video and you will see "him" imbedded with and yucking it up with Bibb good ole boys that oppose any modification to FHR.

1) Last night Van Etheridge of Moreland Altobelli said the plans presented at the meeting were not the current plans.

2) A councilwoman elect publicly said that Bishop failed to provide documents that she requested prior to last night's meeting.

3) City Council has already passed 2 Resolutions requesting that the County redesign Forest Hill Road. Bishop could not remember the 900 resident petition that was presented to him, so i guess he forgot this detail too.

4) FHR residents presented official data that showed FHR traffic growth is flat. Did Van Etheridge and Moreland Altobelli take their car count on the day of the Riverside Dr accident when traffic had to be re-routed to FHR?

5) Bishop praised Etheridge of Moreland Altobelli for coming out of retirement to be at the meeting. One audience member asked if Dallas Van Etheridge was being compensated, Bishop tried to dodge the question but DVE finally replied that he was compensated for last night's performance.

more unwritten details later...


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This Comment sums up last night's meeting:

"It seemed to be an exercise by Bishop to try to convince voters in his next County Commissioner?s race that even though Bishop is for the road, that other people were for the road before Bishop was, and that Bishop is still for the road but Bishop wants you to think that he will act like he is against the road so that you will vote for him, so Bishop is against the road but he is really for the road and in the end it is all City Council?s fault."


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I am surprised after reading all these coments that no one has mentioned city/county consolidation. Let's cut to the heart of the matter, this should not be a city thing or a county thing, rather it should be a Macon thing. With 2 governing bodies for one "city" problems and conflicts are bound to happen. An effort to consolidate city and county would pay huge dividends throughout the area. Juat a thought or 2.

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This road need to be widen so motorists will be able to allow room for emergency vehicles to pass. Forest Hil Road need a turning lane, a side walk,and a shoulder for traffic to give right of way for emergency vechicles such as ambulances, police, and fire trucks.You have got to ask yourself, which is more inmportant, a life or a bunch of trees.

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To the l