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DATE:    Wednesday, February 3, 2010
TIME:     9:30 a.m.
PLACE:  Bibb Co. Engineering Annex, 760 Third St., Macon, GA 31201  



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  News about Forest Hill Road (webpage):

 
GDOT has printed "typos" that prioritize Forest Hill.. These typos indicate that some construction is scheduled to begin in 2014...

ROW for the southern end (between Vineville and Wimbish) will start in 2010.

  Audio of Meeting was recorded by 2 people.  Available upon request.

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http://www.macon.com/local/story/993156.html

Thursday, Jan. 21, 2010
Forest Hill debate finds no answers
By MIKE STUCKA - mstucka@macon.com


Efforts to find a common solution for Forest Hill Road’s traffic problems splintered again Wednesday.

Lindsay Holliday, one of the road’s biggest advocates, said local transportation planning officials poked no holes in proposals by New Hampshire traffic engineer Rick Chellman that call for slower speed limits on the road that may carry fewer cars. However, some traffic planners in a 30-person meeting of a Macon Area Traffic Study committee Wednesday criticized the plan and said it provided no solutions.

 Don Tussing with the Macon-Bibb County Planning and Zoning Commission said Forest Hill Road traffic hasn’t increased, according to projections, only because weary drivers shifted to other roads.

“That section of road is at capacity,” Tussing told Holliday in Wednesday’s meeting. “You can’t squeeze more through there.”

City, county and state plans call for a stretch of Forest Hill Road near Vineville Avenue to become a four-lane road with a grassy median. Closer to Northside Drive, the road would carry two lanes of traffic and a middle turning lane.

Holliday argued for one less lane in each stretch. Portions of his road would have a six-foot-wide path on each side that could be used for bicyclists, and the speed on the entire road would drop to 35 mph instead of 45 mph, he said.

“Sometimes you’ll just pick a slower road because it’s quieter and calmer,” he said. “We would choose a lower level of service.”

Tuesday, transportation consultant Van Etheridge told county commissioners the proposed four-lane section carried 14,900 cars a day and the three-lane section carried 11,000 cars in a 2007 study of actual traffic.

“If you looked at those numbers right there and started designing the road today, you’d design the same road,” he said. In response, County Chief Administrative Officer Steve Layson said that even if traffic dropped 3,000 cars, that size road would still be needed.

Holliday said Wednesday that the Chellman plan could be easily implemented, with little extra planning costs that would save millions on construction. He argued a left-turn lane could have already been added at Ridge Avenue.

“They want you to solve the congestion at that intersection, and by God, we could do that today,” he said.

Officials at Wednesday’s meeting said planning, including environmental studies, would have to be started over and would add years to the timeline.

Holliday said in a later telephone interview that a solution for Forest Hill Road could be necessary to the county passing a special purpose local option sales tax. He said residents are correct in supporting the Chellman plan and are prepared to sue the county.

“If we can’t get this technical fix, if they don’t fix Forest Hill Road before they try to sell this next SPLOST, it’s going to get very embarrassing for them,” Holliday said. “There are solutions out there.”

County Commission Chairman Sam Hart said he doesn’t know a timeline for the project now but knows the state has begun buying more right-of-way for a road widening.

A state worksheet showed the road is on a 2014 transportation plan, but a state official said that was a mistake and Forest Hill Road is slated to open by 2020.

To contact writer Mike Stucka, call 744-4251.

Comments about the Telegraph Story above:

Some of the quoted "roads officials" are either incompetent, or they are deliberately misleading the public...  Road Capacity?...  Two lanes on West Paces Ferry in Atlanta carry over 25,000 cars a day.   Bibb needs to pay a New Team to find the Solution.   Their Old Team is stuck on Old Ideas that do not work with the public anymore.


 crunchthenumbers wrote on 01/21/2010 02:06:16 AM:

Just look at all the poor planning, vacant buildings and homes around Bibb County. Then look at the "Planners" that have overseen this quagmire for decades.

Then ask yourself why Bibb County Chief Administrative Officer Steve Layson and Macon-Bibb Planning and Zoning are so intent on wasting $26 million of our tax dollars on the FHR project, when less than $4 million would accomplish the goals and allow the Forest Hill Neighborhood to retain it's wooded, natural legacy.

A 2 mile stretch of Riverside was recently reworked with a major bridge rebuilt for $13 million.

Steve Layson, Don Tussing, Van Ethridge & Elmo Richardson can't wait to get in your back pockets for $26million for a similar 2 mile stretch of road.

Something is really rotten at the Bibb County Commission & Macon Bibb Planning and Zoning.


DougMac wrote on 01/21/2010 07:25:08 AM:

"Something is really rotten at the Bibb County Commission & Macon Bibb Planning and Zoning"
The stench you smell is coming from GDOT and Moreland Altobelli. Notice the article doesn't mention Van Etheridge is a Moreland Altobelli employee. Also remember the "Moreland" is Tom Moreland, the former head of GDOT, who started getting GDOT contracts as soon as he stepped down. FHR was conceived by Moreland Altobelli and they will be the prime contractor on the construction fiasco. That's what's rotten.


eleven45547 wrote on 01/21/2010 08:28:05 AM:

Van Etheridge gets paid regardless of roads built or not.
The orig purpose of the improvements were to be to enable us rich, wealthly residents of North Macon an improved and quick way to get to the Macon Mall, so we could spend money,and the County could collect more sales taxes. Park Street was suppose to be rerouted around the North Part of the County, to somewhere past Log Cabin . What the hell ever happened to those plans? Bet somebody knows what happened to those plans. Please Advise. Also nobody out this way agrees that Lindsey is the spokesperson for us.



carpepm wrote on 01/21/2010 10:09:15 AM:

Actually, it was Elmo Richardson's firm, STANTEC that designed this monstrosity, with, of course, the help of Moreland-Altobelli. Where did Steve Layson, the CAO of the county commissioners ever get the idea that a third, left turn only middle lane (suicide lane) increases capacity? It increases speed, but according to nationally recognized and authored transportation planners, it does not add capacity. Seems to me our elected and appointed officials need to go back to their transportation 101 classes. Oh, excuse me, you mean they haven't taken it yet? My goodness...Fix the intersections and you solve the problem. Simple for anyone to understand except our planners (that's being kind) and our elected and appointed officials. Doc is right, West Paces Ferry in Atlanta, where the governor's mansion is located, handles 30,000 cars a day just fine, thank you ma'm. Look it up.



carpepm wrote on 01/21/2010 10:14:01 AM:

I forgot to add: The $25 million that has been tossed about is in "old" dollars. Just think how much of your hard earned tax dollars it's going to cost in 2020! "A million here and a million there, and pretty soon we're talking some real money." Anybody really want to vote or support another SPLOST after the wasteful way the county commissioners and the Macon-Bibb County Road Improvement Program's managing firm have wasted the already collected $125 million RIP SPLOST money?


eleven45547 wrote on 01/21/2010 10:31:07 AM:

rat on carpepm, rat on . The elected officials are simply deaf. Or stupid.


   


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MATS TECHNICAL COMMITTEE

MEETING MINUTES



Jan 20th , 2010
TIME: 10 a.m.
PLACE: Macon-Bibb County Planning & Zoning Office, 10th floor, 682 Cherry St.

 

 


 
*Voting Member


 
 

Subject: MATS Policy meeting
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:55
From: "Ken North" <knorth@mbpz.org>
To: "Wayne Puckett" <wayne.puckett@robins.af.mil>,
    "Calder Pinkston" <Calder@PinkstonLaw.com>,
    "Don Tussing" <dtussing@mbpz.org>,
    "Gigi Cabell" <gigi.cabell@cox.net>,
    "Kelly Gwin" <kgwin@dot.ga.gov>,
    "Lindsay Holliday" <teeth@mindspring.com>,
    "Mike Underwood" <mikeunderwood@windstream.net>,
    "Oby Brown" <obrown@macon.com>,
    "Rick Hutto" <rick.hutto@macon.ga.us>,
    "Sharon Patterson" <spatterson@bibb.k12.ga.us>,
    "Tony Rojas" <tonyr@maconwater.org>

The next MATS Policy meeting will be held on Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 9:30 a.m. in the County Engineering Annex, 760 Third St., Macon, GA 31201. The above attachment contains an updated agenda for the meeting as well as other information. In addition, the other scheduled meeting dates for the MATS Policy Committee for the rest of the year are as follows: April 7th, August 4th, and November 3rd. All meetings will begin at 9:30 a.m. in the County Engineering Annex. Please put these meeting dates on your calendar. If you have any questions, contact our office.
 
 
 
Ken North
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MATS  POLICY COMMITTEE
      MEETING NOTICE



DATE:    Wednesday, February 3, 2010

TIME:     9:30 a.m.

PLACE:  Bibb Co. Engineering Annex, 760 Third St., Macon, GA 31201  


--Roll Call – establishment of quorum

--Approval of meeting agenda & minutes

--Election of Officers

--Committee Reports
   -CAC
   -TCC

--Public Input (5 min./person limit)


Agenda Items

1. Long Range Transportation Plan (LRTP) – Revisions to LRTP & CDR
2. Transit Projects – Presentation by Transit Authority
3. Safe Routes to School Program – Review of Program
4. Project Status Report – Presented by Georgia D.O.T.
--New Business (Items to be referred to committee; not for action at meeting)

--Old Business (Items previously addressed by this or other committees)
       Forest Hill Rd. -- Chellman Report

--Adjournment






MATS POLICY COMMITTEE MEETING
ATTENDANCE LIST
   November 4, 2009


 Those Attending            Representing

 1.  Jim Thomas*            Damon King, Macon-Bibb P & Z Chairman
 2.  Lindsay Holliday*            James H. Webb, CAC Chairman
 3.  Sam Hart*                Chairman, Bibb Co. Commission
 4.  Gigi Cabel                Mayor’s Office            
 5.  Tom Queen                Georgia D.O.T.
 6.  Ken North                Macon-Bibb Co. Planning & Zoning Comm.
 7.  David Fortson            Bibb Co. Engineering
 8.  Don Tussing            Macon-Bibb Planning & Zoning Comm.
 9.  Kelly Gwin                Georgia D.O.T.
10. Elmo Richarson*            Bibb Co. Commission
11. Bill Causey                City Engineer
12. Van Etheridge            Road Improvement Program
13. Robert Reichert*            Mayor, City of Macon
14. Lee Martin                Citizen
15. Greg Brown                Macon-Bibb Co. Planning & Zoning Comm.
16. Radney Simpson*            Vance Smith Jr., Georgia D.O.T. Commissioner
17. Nigel Floyd                Macon-Bibb Traffic Engineer
18. Cindy Van Dyke            Georgia D.O.T.
19. Joe Allen*                Bibb Co. Commission
20. Wanzina Jackson            City of Macon Econ. & Comm. Development
21. Ken Sheets                Bibb Co. Engineer
22. Michel Wanna*            Frank Amerson, Macon Water Authority
23. David Gowan            Bibb Co. School District
24. Lisa Rowland            Citizen



*Voting Member



MATS POLICY MINUTES
November 4, 2009


A meeting of the MATS Policy Committee was held on November 4, 2009 at City Hall. There were eight voting members in attendance, thereby establishing a quorum. The agenda and minutes of the previous meeting were introduced and approved by the committee members. Under committee reports, Lindsay Holliday stated that the CAC members had some concerns regarding Forest Hill Rd. in the project status report. The CAC thought that this project was scheduled for construction in 2020. Mr. Holliday passed out copies of a report by Rick Chellman dealing with traffic volumes and projections for Forest Hill Rd. which he discussed. Jim Thomas presented the report from the Technical Committee and also stated that there were some concerns regarding the project status report. There was not any public input presented at the meeting.

The first item on the agenda was the Unified Planning Work Program (UPWP) for FY 2011.  Jim Thomas reviewed the draft UPWP and discussed the various tasks that the planning staff would be working on in the upcoming year. One of the new items presented concerned an element for training and professional development of the planning staff. He went on to discuss the proposed funding sources and commented that the state match would not be available for any of the work tasks in 2011. Unfortunately, as a result of the current financial issues, the state match was eliminated for the upcoming year. Jim Thomas stated that the final copy of the UPWP would be available for the MATS Policy meeting in April. The Mayor commented that he would like the Middle GA Clean Air Coalition to be included in the list of organizations for work task FHWA 1.11. Subsequently, a motion was made by Lindsay Holliday and seconded by Elmo Richardson to approve the draft UPWP which was approved by the Policy Committee.

    The next item on the agenda was the Road Classification System presented by Don Tussing.  He explained that a request had been made to reclassify certain local roads as collector roads in order to qualify for possible stimulus funding for repaving. A list was presented to the committee which contained a list of roads that could be reclassified as possible collectors.  In addition, the CAC had also suggested other roads that should be added to this list. After further review, a suggestion was made by the City Engineer to remove Vista Circle from the original list and to add Ayres Rd. to the list of possible collector roads. The list would first have to be submitted to Georgia D.O.T. to be inserted into their model and then be reviewed by FHWA. After further discussion, a motion was made by Elmo Richardson and seconded by Sam Hart to approve the revised classification list to be coordinated with Georgia D.O.T. The motion was approved by the members of the Policy Committee.


    The next item presented was the project status report. Tom Queen reviewed the projects and stated that the right of way (ROW) date in the report was incorrect for the Forest Hill Rd. project from Wimbish to Forsyth. The correct ROW date for this project was 2014. The other section of Forest Hill Rd. is currently in the ROW acquisition process. He also stated that a concept meeting was held on the Lamar Road project during the summer.  In addition, the I-75 project from Pierce to Arkwright is scheduled to be let in March. Lindsay Holliday stated that the ROW date for Forest Hill Rd. should have been corrected in the project status report before the Policy meeting was held.   

    Under New Business, Lindsay Holliday stated that someone from Georgia D.O.T. should be available to explain in detail the transportation model. Radney Simpson stated that an explanation of the model was made earlier in the year to the MATS Committees as part of the development of the long range transportation plan. Subsequently, Mayor Reichert added that the model could be put on a future agenda of the MATS Committees if needed. Lindsay Holliday thought this matter could be reviewed by just the CAC members. However, he asked that the Chellman report regarding Forest Hill Rd. be placed on a future MATS agenda for review. After some discussion, the Mayor decided that the Chellman report be put on the next agenda of the MATS Committees to be presented under Old Business.  In addition, Lindsay Holliday thought that this report should also be presented to the executive committee of the Road Improvement Program.

    Also under New Business, Joe Allen stated that there is a problem at Eisenhower Parkway at I-475 westbound which results in a significant backup of traffic. Jim Thomas commented that the Georgia D.O.T. district office could be contacted about this to inform them of the problem. Also under New Business, the Mayor stated that there should be a review of the inventory of the buses and equipment of the Transit Authority as a result of comments that he has received. He was concerned that the Transit Authority may not have the proper equipment that is needed. After some discussion, it was decided that the Director of the Transit Authority should be invited to attend the next MATS Policy meeting to discuss this matter. In addition, under New Business, the Mayor stated the truck route through the downtown area should be revised from MLK to Seventh Street.
This alternate route would help alleviate the truck traffic that exists in the museum district. The Mayor asked that this item be reviewed in order to come up with a recommendation on how to proceed regarding this matter. Radney Simpson asked that the Georgia D.O.T. be provided with a map of the proposed new truck route for examination. Subsequently, the Mayor asked Bill Causey to prepare a map of the alternate route so it could be forwarded to Georgia D.O.T.

    Finally, a resolution of appreciation for Cora Cook was presented by Don Tussing for her work with the MATS Committees. A motion was made by Elmo Richardson and seconded by Lindsay Holliday to adopt the resolution that was approved the by Policy Committee. Being no further business to discuss the meeting was adjourned.                 
 
 







 



 
 

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