Elmo "Stantec" Richardson

Macon Telegraph "Letters" Documentation <<<--- here

view the Stantec complaint.pdf 
The People Speak

The District 3 commissioner in Bibb County, Georgia is Elmo A. Richardson.  District 3 includes north Bibb County and small portion of East Bibb County. Commissioner Richardson is the Chairman of the Human resources/Information Systems & Tax and Properties committees.  He was first elected in Nov 2002 in a special election to fill the unexpired term of Caulder Clay who ran unsuccessfully for congress.  Richardson was re-elected in November 2004. 

Elmo's Ethics?

Mr Richarson has voted on numerous Road Projects in Bibb County for which he has profited by his Financial Interests as a professional engineer and as VP of Stantec.  He owns the building at the Macon click location of Stantec...

   LINKS  to    Forest Hill Rd      Ethics? in Bibb County      Ga Law       Bibb County Minutes   


   Elmo's Financial Disclosures to the State of Georgia  dated 6-19-2006 showing a Fiduciary Position with Stantec Consulting Services, Inc. as a Vice President    showing a part-ownership worth more than $10,000 in Stantec, Inc.    showing ownership worth over $200,000 of the building housing Stantec at 4875 Riverside Drive in Macon.    showing employment with Stantec as a Civil Engineer in 2006.   Income from Georgia Department of Transportation exceeding $20,000 during 12 months between 2005-2006      

Open Records Reports from Bibb County for a listing of checks:
 to Elmo for the past 3 years - travel and salary - totals $11, 651.45
Payments directly to Stantec during that time totals   $52, 625.79
SPLOST payments to Stantec from 07-01-03 until 06-01-07 totals $276,813.34
SPLOST payments to Moreland during that time are almost  $7,000,000.00


Elmo's votes on self-serving projects:

December 11, 2006
On motion of
Commissioner Richardson, seconded by Commissioner Allen and carried,
the members of the Board voted unanimously to accept the recommendation of
Commissioner Linnenkohl to complete the Houston Road Project using the funds
allocated for other projects and to support the completion of the 1-75 / 1-16 interchange
and the
Forest Hill Road Project

*Note - In August 2007 the above Bibb County Minutes were changed to delete any mention of Mr Richardson.    The current
{changed} version of the 12-11-06 minutes can be downloaded here 

Bibb County officials (below) explain why, when and how the minutes were changed for the meeting with Ga DOT on 12-11-07.

At 03:43 PM 8/20/2007, Ms Sheila Thurmond, Clerk of the Board, Bibb County Commissioners, wrote:
Dr. Holliday, sorry for the delay in getting back to you but I left the office around 10:00 this morning and hadn’t been long returned. To answer your questions regarding the details of the minutes of December 11, 2006, here is my honest account:
       This past Friday, it was brought to my attention by Mrs. Ross, the Chairman’s Adm. Asst., that Commissioner Richardson had called to advise that he was not present at the meeting in question but that the Minutes reflected that he was. As a result, I pulled my file of handwritten notes and luckily, I still had them. In fact, my notes state verbatim: “All Commissioners except Richardson” meaning all commissioners were present at the meeting except Commissioner Richardson. I feel very strongly that my written notes are accurate; however, I guess this was one of those instances where I did not review the minutes before they were posted on our web site and as a result, this error was not caught before now. Furthermore, my written notes also reflect that “the motion was made by Commissioner Allen and seconded by Commissioner Hart and carried by a unanimous vote of all Board Members present.”
       Commissioner Richardson was not present at all during the meeting of December 11, 2006.
       The faxed copy of the minutes you received today were signed by me today. I simply printed them from a “minutes folder” on the computer, signed and then faxed to you.
After this incident, Mrs. Ross and I will make sure that our notes correlate in the future to ensure that all attendees, motions and other important facts are accurately noted before the minutes are approved/published. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Shelia Thurmond
Clerk of the Board
(478) 621-6540

Commissioner Richardson chairs the Engineering and Public Works Committee.  Go to this page (here) to view hundreds of thousands of dollars awarded to contracts for his old firm of Stantec , and to further his Forest Hill Road project:

Still More:
Minutes of the Public Works Committee show Mr Richardson initiating votes and motions to push the Forest Hill Road project. 
View excerpts of those minutes here.

July 6, 2007


Dr. Lindsay D. Holliday

360 Spring Street

Macon, Georgia 31201



Open Records Request to Georgia Department of Transportation

Project Nos.: STP-3213(1), STP-3213(3), BRMLB-3213

All payments to any “Richardson”


Dear Dr. Holliday:


I have received your correspondence dated July 1, 2007.   After some preliminary research the Department’s Office of General Accounting has advised that due to the broad nature of your request they will require additional time to search the Department’s database and retrieve any records the Department may have responsive to your request.


Your request coincides with the Department’s fiscal year end; the databases are being utilized fully to produce fiscal year end reports.  Because your request will require running multiple queries and reports, the Office of General Accounting will need approximately three weeks to conduct its research.  I anticipate a response to your request by Friday, July 27, 2007.


The Georgia Open Records Act offers the right to inspect documents and then obtain copies, if the requestor so desires, by paying administrative and copying charges provided in the Act. O.C.G.A. §50-18-71.2 provides that you will be charged for the cost of services associated with the search, retrieval, transport and other direct administrative services incurred in complying with your request at the rate of $11.60 per hour (excluding the first quarter hour) and $0.25 per page. 


As you are aware, certain DOT records may be exempt from disclosure under Open Records Act and to the extent it calls for such exemption, the Department cannot make those records available. If the Department determines that a record may be exempt from inspection you will be informed at the time and will be given the reason for such nondisclosure. However, please be assured that every effort will be made to make all information available to you, within the requirements of the Open Records Act.


If you have any questions you may contact me at Brigetta.Perry@dot.state.ga.us



Britt Perry

Legal Services Coordinator


Dear Ms Perry, 

I thank you for your efforts thus far with my open records request. 

But there is inconsistency between your findings and the public records report of [Elected Public Officer] Elmo Richardson's finances wherein he states that he received over $20,000 from the Ga DOT in 2005-2006. 

His signed declaration is posted here:

Can you (will you, please) explain this discrepancy?  

Are you free, able and willing to disclose any "indirect payments"  made by Georgia DOT  to  Mr Richardson?

Thank-you again,
- Lindsay D Holliday

June 28, 2007


Dr. Lindsay D. Holliday

360 Spring Street

Macon, Georgia 31201



Open Records Request to Georgia Department of Transportation

Stantec Consulting Services and Elmo Richardson Financial Details


Dear Dr. Holliday:


I have received your correspondence dated June 25, 2007.   Based on the parameters set forth in your open records request dated December 7, 2006, and subsequent request dated May 20, 2007, an extensive database search was conducted by the Departments’ Office of General Accounting.  As stated in my previous response dated

May 29, 2007, the Department does not have any record of payments made to Elmo A. Richardson, Jr., P.E., LLC, firm PEF005014.  The Department found payments made to Stantec Consulting Services, Inc. for the period set forth in your December 2006 request.  These records were forwarded to you per your request.


The Georgia Open Records Act offers the right to inspect documents and then obtain copies, if the requestor so desires, O.C.G.A. §50-18-71.2.  The Department adheres to full disclosure of its records, except where certain DOT records may be exempt from disclosure under Open Records Act and to the extent it calls for such exemption, the Department cannot make those records available. If the Department determines that a record may be exempt from inspection you will be informed at the time and will be given the reason for such nondisclosure. However, please be assured that every effort will be made to make all information available to you, within the requirements of the Open Records Act.



Britt Perry

Legal Services Coordinator

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006
From: "Perry, Brigetta" <BrigettaBritt.Perry@dot.state.ga.us>
To: "Holliday Dental" <teeth@mindspring.com>

Dear Dr. Holliday,


In response to your request I am forwarding to you the payment record  [IMAGE]  for Stantec for the current fiscal year and the previous fiscal year.  I have been advised by the Department’s Office of General Accounting that we have no record of payments to Mr. Elmo Richards..[sic - Richardson]


Brigetta 'Britt' Perry
Legal Services Coordinator
2 Capitol Square
Atlanta, Georgia 30334
(404) 657-5807 Office
(404) 657-4781 Fax


From: Holliday Dental [mailto:teeth@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:23 PM
To: Perry, Brigetta
Cc: Green, Van
Subject: FOI - Stantec and Elmo Richardson financial details with GaDOT


Brigetta Perry
GDOT legal services

Dear Ms Perry,

I am hereby narrowing my Open Records request to this:
- A simple listing of checks to Stantec and to Elmo Richardson for the current year, and also for the previous fiscal year.

- Lindsay D Holliday


From: Holliday Dental <teeth@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:43:23 -0500
To: Harvey.Keepler@dot.state.ga.us,Jonathan.Cox@dot.state.ga.us,, "Millen, David" <David.Millen@dot.state.ga.us>,, "Buchan, Ben" <Ben.Buchan@dot.state.ga.us>,, "Gratton, Buddy" <Buddy.Gratton@dot.state.ga.us>,, Glenn.Bowman@dot.state.ga.us,Katy.Allen@fhwa.dot.gov, Anita Ponder  <anita.ponder@macon.ga.us>,Bill.Causey@macon.ga.us,
Subject: FOI - Stantec and Elmo Richardson financial details with GaDOT

Dear Sirs:

This is a Freedom Of Information request for financial links between the GaDOT and the Bibb County - District#3 Commissioner - Elmo Richardson. 

Mr Richardson indicates on his  6-19-06 Financial Disclosure Statement at the Bibb County Board of Elections that ->>  He received over $20,000 from GaDOT last year.

I am requesting all financial details between the GaDOT and Mr Elmo Richardson for the past 7 years.

Mr Richardson identifies himself as a VP and a consultant with Stantec which is the major contractor for the over $1.5 Million spent so far on Forest Hill Road designs. 

So I am also asking for financial details between the GaDOT and Stantec for the past 5 years.


- Lindsay D Holliday 

To: "Sherri Sawyer" <ssawyer@co.bibb.ga.us>
Subject: RE: Open Records Request of 12-1-06 regarding Stantec Contracts
Cc: "Ken Sheets" <ksheets@co.bibb.ga.us>, "Steve Layson" <slayson@co.bibb.ga.us>, "Virgil Adams" <vadams@ajtlaw.com>, "Deborah Martin" <dmartin@co.bibb.ga.us>, "Shelia Thurmond" <sthurmond@co.bibb.ga.us>, "Tonya Davis" <tdavis@maai.net>, smarshall@macontel.com

Ms Sawyer,

Yes, I hereby narrow the scope of my Open Records Request to only a listing of all checks (and their amounts) payable to Stantec and/or Mr Elmo Richardson for fiscal years 2004, 2005 and 2006 only.

- Lindsay D Holliday


Bcs Caution Macon
 At 05:07 PM 12/7/2006 -0500, Sherri Sawyer wrote:

Mr. Holliday,
If a listing of invoices/billings to Stantec is all you need, we can certainly provide that to you much quicker; however, your initial e-mail regarding the Open Records Request did not indicate that.
Please clarify exactly what you need.

Sherrie Sawyer

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherri Sawyer
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:58 PM
To: 'Holliday Dental'
Cc: Ken Sheets; Steve Layson; 'Virgil Adams'; Deborah Martin; 'Tonya Davis'; Shelia Thurmond
Subject: Open Records Request of 12-1-06 regarding Stantec Contracts

Mr. Holliday,
I have received your Open Records Request dated 12/1/06 regarding contracts and billings/invoices between the Road Improvement Program and Stantec.   I have notified Moreland Altobelli and our Finance Office of the documents you are requesting.   Since these contracts and invoices cover several years it will involve substantial retrieval time.   The Finance Office estimates that it will take 8 hours retrieval time at a total man hour cost of $185.  I do not yet have estimates on manpower costs for retrieval of records from our office.    I will get back with you in a few days with that information.

At this point, we feel that it will be after the first of the year before all documents can be retrieved and made available for review or copying.
If you have any questions in the meantime, please let me know.
Sherrie Sawyer

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:30:42 -0500

From: "Sherri Sawyer" <ssawyer@co.bibb.ga.us>
To: "Holliday Dental" <teeth@mindspring.com>



Attached is a listing [JPG-Image] of checks issued to Stantec for FY2004-2006 per your Open Records Request of 12/1/06.


We are still in the process of retrieval on the Consultant Contract Documents and will notify you when those are ready.


If this e-mailed image is not clear enough, please let me know and I will fax a hard copy to you.




Sherrie Sawyer

Executive Assistant

Bibb County Engineering Department

780 Third Street

Macon, GA  31201-3282


Fax:  478-621-6666



C:\EUDORA\DOWNLOAD\Stantec payments 2004-2006.tif Stantec payments 2004-2006.tif

Power and Prestige

Posted on Sat, Mar. 03, 2007  pB1 Political Notebook


Bibb County Commissioner Elmo Richardson was recently honored with a lifetime achievement award from the Georgia Engineering Alliance for his outstanding contribution to the profession and his work with cities and counties.

"I was overwhelmed," he said. "To be recognized by your peers is a humbling experience."

Richardson, 70, graduated from Georgia Tech and served for three years with the U.S. Army Combat Engineers. He has since been in private practice as an engineer.

In 2002, Richardson was elected to fill an unexpired term on the board of commissioners for the 3rd District. He was re-elected in 2004.

More recently, he was appointed by the governor to serve on the State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors.

Elmo Richardson filed

false charges against

internationally honored engineer

- Walter Kulash -  

the Georgia Board of professional engineers fully aquitted Mr Kulash after dragging their feet for over a year.  Their delay effectively ended Mr Kulash's employment with  

Bibb County's - "Roads Improvement Program"

Walter Kulash  

" Traffic Engineering for Liveable Communities "

Walter Kulash in consultations


Moreland Altobelli - Conflicts of Interest 12-7-97

Walter Kulash hired to look at aesthetics of all Bibb highway projects 1998

Board nixes wider role for Kulash on roads 9-98

Kulash steps away from Houston Road project -

Consultant criticizes Bibb roads program's lack of vision 1-8-99

The attack on Kulash's credentials was just ego 1-8-99

Roads program OKs 5-lane Houston Road  1-99 ?

Lawsuit filed to stop Houston widening 5-16-99

State delays Houston widening 5-25-99

Kulash meets with CAUTION 5-31-99 and picture

Kulash will review Houston Road project 6-11-99

Panel kicks Kulash off Houston Road  6-18-99

Kulash pays price for honest efforts 1-17-00

Suit against Houston Road widening in court today  1-5-00

1-6-00 minutes of Exec Committee concerning Kulash

Defense gets turn in Houston Road hearing 1-7-00

Houston Road lawsuit in judge's hands 1-8-00

The Attacks on Kulash various

Beef on consultant seems a bit stingy 1-14-00


Related CAUTION articles:

Road designs should be flexible, committee decides

Lack of urban planning ruining road project -Fischer 9-6-98

Engineers want "To hammer everything that looks like a nail."

Road designers defend public hearing policy 12-21-98

Ellis may replace roads program oversight committee members 1-21-00

Commissioners want say on roads - 2-24-99

Roads program unveils new public format 3-26-99

Road planners need to listen up 09-06-98

SARDIS CHURCH ROAD transcripts of hearing 4-29-99

Route of I-75/Ga. 247 connector - public meeting  pic pic 6-9-99

Housing development may be part of road program plan  5-9-99

Busy roads fuel growth - Sprawl  10-9-99

'Smart growth' not just for Atlanta 12-27-99

Potential urban sprawl concerns Bibb, Jones residents 2-29-00

Wide Roads planned in Macon encourage speeding

With planning, Macon can control urban sprawl

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  Lindsay 'Doc' Holliday  

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Elmo Richardson supports the routing of the Eisenhower Pkwy Extension through the historic/legislated boundaries of the Ocmulgee National Monument
full explanation of this disaster at:


go to - CAUTION Macon   8-31-99 letter from Dr Tsai   Caution Mirror Site   Eisenhower Parkway Extension

Elmo Richardson's engineering company is financially involved

in the disasterous plans to destroy the neighborhood at:
    Forest Hill Road

Macon, Ga

Kulash pays price for honest efforts

Editors: A surprising controversy has arisen out of CAUTION Macon's suit against the Macon/Bibb County Road Improvement Program: the involvement of Walter Kulash, a nationally respected traffic system planner/engineer and an expert witness called by CAUTION.

One suspects that this is an attempt to divert attention from the more substantive issues raised by the case, or another attempt by local officials to discredit Kulash.

A citizen legitimately expects hired or contractual professionals paid with public funds to promote the public interest. Unfortunately, professionals hired by the Road Improvement Program are forced to act as political operatives, loyal to a political boss rather than to the general interests of the taxpaying public.

Their recommendations support the "cause de jour" and change with the political winds (witness traffic counts). This is the price of eligibility for public contracts in Bibb County extracted from these individuals and firms.

Kulash reflects what is best in the profession - a man who honors his professional commitment to the public that pays him. He saw no conflict in his allegiance, as his professional opinions have been constant.

Unfortunately, we have created an environment where an honest professional is placed in the unholy conflict of choosing between the public interest for which he is ostensibly hired, and loyalty to the narrow interests of the political operatives who sign his paycheck. In this environment, Kulash is an embarrassment to his local peers - as a professional willing to act in the public interest.

In so acting, Kulash brings the competence and credibility of local "professionals" into question. As is often the case, a good and moral man makes less dedicated or principled men look bad in relief. We must do what is necessary to keep Kulash engaged in saving Bibb County from itself!

Daniel Fischer


Letters for Monday, January 17, 2000

Bibb County's - "Roads Improvement Program"

Elmo Richardson's firm supported the opposition of CAUTION Macon in the legal actions below:


JANUARY 5, 2000

vs. MACON, GEORGIA, et. al.

The Trial:

Day 1 , 2 , 3

full transcripts are above.

Mr Richarson's frustrations over the Kulash testimony which supported CAUTION Macon, led Mr Richardson to level the charges of "conflict of interest" and "practicing without a licencein GA"


Macon residents protest planned expansion of Forest Hill Road

By Gray Beverley

The Macon Telegraph -Sunday 7-1-01 p1B with two Color Pics

A group of Macon residents Saturday was tying yellows ribbon 'round old oak trees.

The loved ones in Saturday's activities were trees in the Forest Hill Road area, the target of a proposed road project that residents say is unnecessary and will destroy their neighborhood.

The yellow ribbons marked trees that will most likely be removed to make room for the proposed expansion of Forest Hill Road.

"They are talking about turning a residential road into an interstate," said Tom Scholl of CAUTION Macon, who was out Saturday morning with about a dozen others installing signs in protest.

The Georgia Department of Transportation has proposed widening Forest Hill Road from a two-lane rural-type road to a four-lane divided urban-type road beginning at Vineville Avenue and ending at Wimbish Road.

The project, as described in a mandatory environmental assessment, also would widen Forest Hill beginning at Wimbish Road and ending 650 feet south of Northside Drive.

Officials say the Forest Hill expansion is necessary to accommodate growth in north Macon as well as to address safety issues on what is recognized as a dangerous road.

Some residents gathered Saturday agreed that improvements could be made to Forest Hill, but they questioned the current proposal.

Dan Fischer, an urban planner and CAUTION Macon participant, said the plan only looks at one road at a time, instead of considering the entire system. Fischer believes that if the Forest Hill plan goes forward as is, Vine-ville Avenue will suffer from congestion, and the stated goals of the expansion will not be achieved.

"This (plan) offends logic," said Fischer. "If you can't accommodate traffic downstream, then you should not be generating it upstream," he said.

Other residents complained that the road widening --- if completed as planned the road would be some 100 feet wide --- would encourage traveling at higher speeds, thereby increasing the risk of danger. They insist that installing turn lanes, speed control devices and improving intersections could resolve the safety issues in the current road, while protecting the value of area homes.

Bibb County Commission Chairman Tommy Olmstead said that much of the debate is a matter of residents not wanting expansion in their back yards. Olmstead said the DOT plan considers future development and the proposed road projects are necessary.

"We are going to do all we can to make it less intrusive to the neighborhood," he said.

Fischer believes that a win-win proposal can be drafted. He and CAUTION Macon believe that voters in 1994 were not aware of what has been referred to as a "highway or no way" character of the Macon-Bibb County Road Improvement Program, which used a special sales tax to raise an estimated $131 million in local funding for road improvements throughout Bibb County. An estimated $150 million in state and federal funding also goes into the road program.

Construction on the Forest Hill widening is scheduled to begin in 2006.

Olmstead, who has met with the public on this issue, said he is willing to consult recognized engineering experts in an attempt to soften the impact to the community.

More information may be obtained from CAUTION Macon, which calls itself "a citizen's advocacy group promoting responsible road building in our neighborhoods," at its Web site, www.cautionmacon.org, or from the Macon-Bibb County Road Improvement Program at 755-0000.

--- To contact Gray Beverley, call 744-4494 or e-mail gbeverley@macontel.com


Fight for Maps
In the box below is the Negative Response from a Moreland Altobelli employee - vs my original request for public information:


for <teeth@mindspring.com>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:06:15 -0400 (EDT)  

From: Moreland Altobelli <MAMACON@BELLSOUTH.NET>

CC: Angie Alexander <Angela.Alexander@dot.state.ga.us>

Subject: Re: Fwd: Forest Hill residents want more access to maps

Mr. Holliday,

I have discussed with The Department of Transportation's Office of Urban Design your request to borrow the public hearing displays from Monday's meeting and it is not the Department's policy to lend out copies of public hearing displays without an employee present to explain the displays.

The Road Improvement Program is required to keep their copy of the displays in their office until after the comment period and I would be hesitant to lend our only copy out after that time.

Both I and the Department would be happy to schedule a time to meet any individual who cannot visit our offices during regular hours.

You may contact Angie Alexander of the Office of Urban Design at (404) 656-5444 or myself at 755-0000 if you have any questions.

Joe Johnson


Lindsay 'Doc' Holliday wrote:

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:33:46 -0400

To: "Palladi, Joe" <Joe.Palladi@dot.state.ga.us>

Subject: Forest Hill residents want more access to maps

Cc: Robert Reichert <rabr_awr@bellsouth.net>, rreicher@legis.state.ga.us, <Filomena.Mullis@macon.ga.us>, Tommy Olmstead <commish@mylink.net>,

"Clay, Calder III" <cclayiii@aol.com>, "Tussing, Donald" <Donald.Tussing@macon.ga.us>, Vernon.RyleIII@macon.ga.us, James.thomas@macon.ga.us

Dear Mr Palladi,

A number of interested citizens would like to study the large maps [three duplicates of ] which were on display at the Springdale School meeting.

Many are gainfully employed 40+ hours a week and are unable to take time off during work to visit the engineer's offices. Of those, some were out of town or previously committed during the evening meeting.

So, as a partial remedy to this situation, I am offering to borrow one of the maps to make it available to citizens over the weekend.

I am offering to place a reasonable deposit towards the safe return of the map. How much would it cost to print out or xerox a duplicate? My guess is between $25 -75.

I have called the local office with this request. I have left a message for Joe Johnson at 478-755-0000. I am waiting for his response, but I felt it might help to send in a written request too.


- Lindsay Holliday

PS - I also am concerned that the comment period - ending deadline of JUNE 21 - is inadequate. Some interested residents have not even seen the maps yet. Others are out of town on vacation and will not return until after JUNE 21..

_*_*_*_*_*_*_ *_*_*_*_*_*_*_

Lindsay Holliday

(h) (478) 742-8699 3091 Ridge Ave. 31204

(o) 746-5695 360 Spring Street Macon, GA 31201

Homepage: http://www.hollidaydental.com

Problems with the Environmental Assesment

The EA for Forest Hill Road contained Serious Flaws as outlined below:

The scope of the alternatives considered is clearly inadequate.

The Environmental Assessment for Forest Hill Road presented to the public on 6/11/01 is a fatally flawed document. If there are only two alternatives, than "NO BUILD" is preferable to the overbuilt alternative in the plan. There are many other alternatives that would meet the purpose and need as set out in the EA; however, DOT did not pursue any of them. Walter Kulash and internationally acclaimed designer drew a plan several years ago with the purpose and need and all of the physical data in mind. This plan was acceptable to the neighborhood. This design was not addressed as an alternative in the EA. If he did the design once, surely he or others could do it again. Solving the few intersection problems would solve all of the problems on the road.

Community Preferred Alternatives

The community would prefer to see Forest Hill Road remain two lanes, with the addition of turn lanes at the five intersections that need them. Left/Right/ and Thru lanes should be added at the intersection with Vineville Ave. The lane widths in the EA alternative are clearly over wide and should be narrowed to a maximum of 11 feet. This is completely consistent with the Purpose and Need Statement

Neither the TIP nor the 2025 Land Use and Transportation Plan was passed by the Citizen¹s Advisory Committee.

Because of over-built projects such as this one, incomplete information, and a failure to incorporate the values of the community, the CAC has not passed either the TIP or the 2025 Land Use plan for MATS. The fact that there is overwhelming citizen rejection of these plans has been ignored by officials. This is not how the process is intended to work. DOT should not run roughshod over communities and dictate how their neighborhoods should look. Federal Law intends that the desires of citizens are included in road plans, yet here we see a stellar example of a DOT that is out of control and out of touch. Objections to this project are a part of the record in every one of the public meetings held about the 2025 Land Use and Transportation Plan

The Road Improvement Program did not review the Project

This project is a part of the RIP, yet it was not reviewed in the Technical Advisory Committee. The TAC has reviewed other projects that have DOT involvement, and alternatives were presented prior to the issuance of a draft EA. This procedure was not followed on Forest Hill Road.

There was no "Project Design Team" on this project

The TAC of the RIP that includes a voting member from GaDOT, voted to employ a project design team on all controversial projects in the RIP. Forest Hill Road has always been a part of the RIP (and a contested part at that). This is clearly a project that should have this kind of interaction with the stakeholders in the community. In violation of this agreement, no project design team was empanelled for Forest Hill Road. No EA should be approved until this process has been completed. Any alternatives promulgated by this team should be added to a future draft EA and resubmitted for public comment.

The plan was misrepresented to the Citizen¹s Advisory Committee to the MATS.

At the CAC meeting prior to the public meeting, the only page given to members to consider was the 3-lane section of this project. Why wasn¹t the entire project on the agenda? The CAC is given certain responsibilities by the Federal Highway Administration, and they are unable to carry them out if the are given incomplete information. This is part of a pattern of problems that citizens see in this community with the MATS program.

The Plan does not accurately reflect population changes

The population in Bibb County has been stable with negligible growth for the last 10 years. Future projections do not see this changing. There will be no increase in traffic volumes due to population increases. The area is already built almost to capacity, and there is very little traffic that can come from new development. These measurable and observable facts are not considered in the EA.

The EA does not address all geographic data

There is a creek missing on the project plan. This is very significant as it represents a clear environmental threat, and a threat to the property owner. No plan should be approved unless it ACCURATETLY reflects all known physical and demographic information. Are there other creeks missing too? What else is missing? This omission casts doubt on the ability of the consultants to do an adequate job on an EA.


Although this project may not fall under the narrow LEGAL definition of segmentation, it is an example of segmentation nonetheless. This project is part of a larger plan known as the "Northwest Parkway". It should not be considered as a separate piece of the pie. The entire Northwest Parkway should be considered under one document with one purpose and need. Each segment is used to induce traffic to be considered as a problem in the next segment. This is an unethical way to do business. Improvements to I-75 and Riverside Drive should also be considered as mitigating projects in this plan.

Community Cohesion and Interaction

The placement of an over-wide road with rapidly moving traffic with split this long established neighborhood into two separate parts. Neighbors will not be able to cross the street to visit each other. The excessive noise levels will prohibit the enjoyment of any kind out outdoor activities. The churches along the road will suffer from these noise levels as well as the residences. Many of the residents of Forest Hill Road and the surrounding neighborhoods that will show an increase in traffic due to this project have lived in their houses for decades. This project will change the ways in which they are able to relate to each other. It will also serve to isolate the elderly residents who will be unable to use this kind of a mini-highway outside of their front door. There is simply no need to change the function of this road through a neighborhood. The induced changes to the land use will also be damaging not only to the residences on Forest Hill Road, but also to the adjoining properties.


The projected sound levels in the EA are in excess of federal limits. This is completely unacceptable. The noise levels for the residences just behind those lining the road were not given, but it is not unreasonable to assume that they will show a dramatic increase as well. There is no possible mitigation for this unacceptable sound level.

Dust, Odor, and Pollution

There will be a dramatic increase in all of these problems if the road is built as proposed. Macon expects to be designated as Non-attainment this summer. This project can only exacerbate this condition, particularly in the immediate project area. There will also be a greatly increased problem with non-point source pollution from the roadway, and its large impervious surface.


At the present time, Forest Hill Road is a neighborhood road with a mature tree canopy the lines, and in some places over hangs the road. The over-wide swath this road will cut through the neighborhood will forever alter this beautiful scene. The road will also take a huge part of most front yards along the road making their dwellings much less attractive and saleable. Large retaining walls in front of several homes will be a serious detraction. There is no possible aesthetic value to the project. It can only do serious harm.

Incompatible with Community Goals

Our community has identified our neighborhoods as one of our most important assets. These values are clearly evident in public comments in all kinds of varied public meetings. This project is clearly in violation of our community goal to protect our neighborhoods. There is an alternative that would be compatible with these goals; it did not appear in this EA.

This project will induce incompatible land use changes

Widening this road will induce a change in the land use pattern from residential to commercial. This will be most evident along the 4-lane section. This change will be incompatible with current zoning. Every road of this type in Macon shows a shift from residential to commercial. Real estate agents and even our County Commission Chairman indicated that this shift would occur. It is in violation of our zoning plans, and it is in violation of the desires of the neighborhood.

The Project will decrease property values

The projected noise, decrease in aesthetics, and land use change to commercial will all have the effect of decreasing property values. The change in lot size, and proximity to the road will also serve to make the properties along Forest Hill Road less valuable. These same detractions will also spill over onto the adjacent residences and will serve to lower their property values as well. It will no longer be a safe place to live with children.


This road is not included in a comprehensive transit plan. In light of our non-attainment status this project should not be approved unless consideration is given to a transit plan. This is also of critical importance as our population ages. We must start to address this deficiency in our planning process now.

Emergency Response

The proposed cul-de-sacs will seriously impair the access of emergency vehicles to these streets.

Historic Properties will be impacted

There are several historic properties that will be seriously impacted by the proposed project. This statement is compatible with the findings of SHIPO. There are alternatives that would not damage these resources, but they were not presented as alternative in the EA.

June 12, 2001 article and Mr Palladi says he is quoted out of context - below:


-----Original Message-----

From: Lindsay 'Doc' Holliday [mailto:teeth@mindspring.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:16 PM

To: joe.palladi@dot.state.ga.us

Cc: Christopher; Ron Woodgeard; Charles Richardson

Subject: Forest Hill residents unhappy

1- If "No-Build" is one of only two options given to the citizens, then what is the matter with saying "down with the project"?

See below comment by Joe Palladi. How else are the taxpayers to vote for "No-Build"?

2- DOT failed to draw in "CAUTION Creek" which runs beside Forest Hill on my family's property at 744. This is the same creek which washed out the roadbed in the early 1980s. Remember?? It took weeks to fix. Any "Environmental Assessment" that ignores CAUTION Creek is a Total FAILURE. Some of the "slope-work easement" is actually drawn in where the creek currently runs!

One DOT employee tried to prevent me from indicating where this creek is on the inadequate DOT maps. I have this on video. And witnesses too... Wow...

- Lindsay Holliday

Forest Hill residents unhappy with road plans 6-12-01 p 1B

By Christopher Schwarzen

The Macon Telegraph

No matter what the state does with Forest Hill Road, residents probably won't like it.

What they want is the way things are for the most part, maybe straighten out a curve and add a turn lane or two. So said about 100 people Monday night at a Department of Transportation public hearing about the future widening of Forest Hill.

But transportation officials say widening is inevitable. Current traffic counts are pushing the now two-lane road's capacity of 16,200. Four-laning between Vineville and Wimbish is a must to handle projected traffic figures of 28,000 daily trips along the road.

To accommodate, DOT is planning to four-lane Forest Hill from Vineville Avenue to Wimbish Road. The rest of the project - from Wimbish to Northside - has been scaled back from four lanes to three.

The change is the result of previous citizen and local official comments, but residents should not expect much more than that. Again, traffic figures, linked with accident rates, are climbing on Forest Hill, state transportation engineer Joe Palladi said.

"It's very difficult for people to understand this in terms of the future and how we're addressing those needs," Palladi said.

If the road must be four-laned between Vineville and Wimbish, then most residents appear to want their streets to be cul-de-sacs, eliminating cut-through traffic, said County Commissioner Calder Clay, a resident of Overlook Avenue off Forest Hill.

"My concerns are the same as everybody else," he said. "We're mainly concerned for the safety of the children in the area."

DOT has offered to transform Overlook, The Prado and Drury Drive at Forest Hill into cul-de-sacs.

"I hope they are," said Tres Herin of Riverdale Drive, who said he, too, is concerned about speeding traffic.

But even the cul-de-sacs aren't a winner with everyone. Joe Patterson, who has lived on The Prado for 36 years, is concerned it will take longer for emergency vehicles to reach older residents living in the area.

"Won't the cul-de-sac make them have to go around the neighborhood and in off Ridge Avenue?" he asked.

Patterson also doesn't believe anyone will take care of the grass, bushes and flowers planted on the grass strip of the cul-de-sac.

"The city doesn't take care of them, and I don't believe residents will," he said.

Palladi said the state will look at individual comments but just saying "down with the project" won't work.

[If "No-Build" is one of only two options given to the citizens, then what is the matter with saying "down with the project"? Do not that mean "No-build"? - Lindsay H]

"We want to know what people want instead as long as it handles volume adequately," he said.

Unfortunately, with outer areas of Bibb County building out, more stress is being put on roads like Vineville and Forest Hill. Vineville is also on the books to be improved, but a plan has not been created yet.

If the state goes through with the Forest Hill project as designed, work will not begin until 2006, unless funds are available earlier, Palladi said.

The entire road will cost about $5.6 million.


Written comments will be collected until June 21. To send one, mail it to Harvey Keepler, state environment and location engineer, Georgia Department of Transportation, 3993 Aviation Circle, Atlanta, GA 30336-1593.

- To contact Christopher Schwarzen, call 744-4213 or e-mail cschwarzen@macontel.com


Richardson was honored by the Georgia Engineering Alliance in March 2007 for his "outstanding contribution to the profession and his work with cities and counties."

From: Averill, Jay [mailto:jay.averill@stantec.com] On Behalf Of Media
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Lemon
Subject: RE: Forest Hill Road project


Mr. Lemon,


Thank you for your interest in Stantec. In short, Stantec currently has no employees serving in paid city or county government elected or staff positions. Our former Sr. Vice President, Elmo Richardson serves as County Commissioner but he has since retired from Stantec.


Stantec is involved in the Forest Hill Road Project, working with the Macon-Bibb County Road Improvement Program. If you have any questions or concerns about the project, you may contact:


The Georgia Department of Transportation



Jay Averill
Manager, Corporate Communications
Ph:   (780) 917-7441
Fx:   (780) 917-7330
Cell: (780) 231-7523


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